Posts Tagged ‘andrew anglin’

Bring Back Dueling

Thursday, September 14th, 2017

The law is an ass. It emasculates men who would otherwise be thriving in a state of nature, so that men who could not survive in nature can feel confident enough to serve in their repetitive roles.

Men tend to be closers. By that I mean we typically, as a gender, want to seek solutions to conundrums. Drama results in anxiety, which results in bad behavior. You would almost have to live in a world where does not exist to not have seen a recent example of this play out. The Andrew Anglin vs Vox Day ego battle reminds us all why dueling unto the death was the right and proper way to restrain toxic masculinity. It does for male public behavior what a caring dad with a well-oiled white shotgun did for masculine sexual morality in teenage years.

Dueling appears to the contemporary as about the most brutal and animalistic way of settling disputes. It was actually quite the opposite. It served to civilize. It was aimed at stopping the constant escalation of feuds from The Capulets vs. The Montagues to The Hatfields vs. The McCoys. Two men, a plaintiff and a defendant, chose their weapons, came with their seconds, and then got in on and fought until one man surrendered or died. The resulting outcome squashed the beef. Might didn’t make right, fair or just. It made something better. It made over. Things got resolved and everyone else’s life went on. Drama took place onstage at The Globe Theater.

Dueling was the product of an older, perhaps better, definition of honor. In the South Seas Islands, honor was described as the sound of a man’s name. This meant what thoughts came to your mind when one person spoke the name of another. If good or positive connotations came to mind, the individual spoken of was held in high esteem and was treated well. If not so good connotations came to mind, the individual in question would suffer from being held in low esteem by everybody he lived around. Honor was a valuable possession. An intangible form of wealth. A good name was a social, financial and sexual asset in this sort of society. A bad name held a man back from all three. This version of honor held in societies throughout much of the world.

This made bad-mouthing a terrible thing. The Catholic Church made Scandal a sin as a way to make church membership a valuable asset. An honor insurance policy so to speak, against the personal depredations of others. The Catechism of The Catholic Church describes scandal this way:


You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
It was said to the men of old, “You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.”

The eighth commandment forbids misrepresenting the truth in our relations with others. This moral prescription flows from the vocation of the holy people to bear witness to their God who is the truth and wills the truth. Offenses against the truth express by word or deed a refusal to commit oneself to moral uprightness: they are fundamental infidelities to God and, in this sense, they undermine the foundations of the covenant.

The church so endeavored in order to prevent the spread of vendetta. Beginning with the Sermon on the Mount, Christian Pacifists have looked for methods of staving off and defusing vendettas between families. Much of the reasoning had to do with not just the welfare of the families involved. It also involved the commonweal of all those who lived and worked near where all the fireworks went off. Only the absence of vendetta prevents the collateral damage the comes with it.

When faith didn’t carry the day, chivalry and social custom intervened to solve the same problem. Honor could be damaged and offense could be given by anyone who chose to disregard their faith and even the saved remain sinners who will fall short of the grace of God. The duel became a mechanism to redress damaged honor. The party perceiving offense would demand satisfaction. Satisfaction could take two forms. A retraction with a humble apology or an agreement to meet and settle the issue like men of valor and vim.

In the case of Anglin and Vox Day, both men perceive slights. Vox has referred to Anglin as a retard and a false believer in Rightist politics and philosophy. Calling him a retard wasn’t good enough to justify any legitimate demand of satisfaction. I get called one by my lovely wife every other day. It’s just not a big deal if you are comfortable in your own skin. Calling Anglin a fraud is a legitimate prelude to scandal. Fraud is an actual moral defect, and that impugns a man’s honor.

Day has legitimate causus belli against Anglin. Calling someone a known pedophile is reprehensible on levels I would not care to dig far enough into the ground to reach. Some of the meme warfare against Vox Day legitimately belongs in a landfill somewhere. So it’s all pretty simple. Mr. Anglin, Mr. Day, sharpen your effing cutlasses and get it on. We the rest of the Gab Community may or may not exercise our collective option to shoot whichever of these two shaved monkeys crawls off The Plain of Mars still breathing. That or put on the Big Boy Pants and shut both of your sorry yaps about it.

Yet here is where modern emasculatory lawfare renders us castrati not men. A poor decision was made that men should stop killing one another in duels. Thus, The United States ultimately banned dueling. An even poorer decision was made that the government should become the ultimate justiciar of lost honor. This was made possible through the enactment of Defamation Laws that sought to ban both libel and slander.

This brings us to where we all want Free Speech without consequence and therefore are living a contradiction. We all like to think we can say what we want, where we want and that nobody should be able to shut us down. This obviously isn’t what we want when someone malicious and untoward starts talking about us. The redress of this insult through legal means is a complicated, messy process that often ends up like the contested inheritance in the Charles Dickens novel Bleak House. Taking this route makes the plaintiff a potential menace to anyone standing in his vicinity.

In the Day vs. Anglin dust-up, Day has decided to lawyer up and start getting people on Gab doxxed so that he can file some rip-ass defamation of character suits. Angry men act angrily. Anglin and his buddies went into the gutter to insult Vox Day. But then again, Day did call Anglin an ideological fraud. Ideologues tend to take that sort of thing as an affront to their sacred honor. It’s like telling a priest that you believe he’s kinda-sorta just kidding about the whole Jeebus Thing.

Angry men also act without consideration for others. I’m reminded immediately of what happened when CNN doxxed HanAssholeSolo and got the wrong hole. I’m also reminded that other people like having use of the platform without stray drama from jousting primadonnas who look quite ugly in their garish ballet tights. (I hope that wasn’t too defamatory, children.) Muting them both and several of their most obnoxious knob-slob fan boys (oops, more crass defamation) only goes so far to avoid the toxic spillage.

In conclusion, I urge both Day and Anglin to go settle this affair on your own time and your own dime. Let the best man win and let the rest of us who just wish you’d both go somewhere else to fornicate off and die be left in peace. Even the “winner” of this Middle School ego-dick pissing contest is a damaged good who will offer less value and substance to the Rightist cause of social renewal and rejuvenation going forwards. For the sake of the adults in the room, knock it the heck off.

Defending Andrew Anglin And Questioning The Future of the Alt Right

Tuesday, August 8th, 2017

As the Alt Right attempts to find its balance after the election of Donald Trump threw it into “and now what’s next?” mode, it is clear that the most entertaining sites — The Daily Stormer and The Right Stuff — command a huge amount of traffic. This has caused an impulse among many Alt Right sites to imitate this classic formula.

However, this runs into what we may call “the Stormfront Effect,” which is what happens when a relatively small but very active group online seems to represent more of public opinion than it actually does, at least until people realize that this group consists of people who are mostly minor participants in our society. Then, people stop giving it credence.

This sets up a trap for the Alt Right: it either acquires broad relevance or becomes a small but devoted internet audience who will pass around the same ideas until the audience implodes from lack of anything new going on. Organizations can die by either being too chaotic, or too repetitive, and both represent a loss of direction.

In the meantime, the question before us stands as to whether the Daily Stormer/Right Stuff (DSRS) approach leads toward or away from those lurking downfalls. In the meantime, dissent arises regarding participants like Andrew Anglin of the Daily Stormer:

He is the epitome of a Marxist trained bolshevik pretending to be a cartoon nazi.

First of all, I hope everyone understands he’s always been a leftist Marxist bolshevik who despises whites.

They only thing is his fans are hoping he had a complete 180 degree reversal in opinion and decided to go the other way, overnight.

From the days of when his Total Fascism website popped up (with a huge ready-made userbase in the first month), this was only a matter of months after admitting himself he was running around chasing after black chicks and declaring he want’s the entire white race wiped out “because they are responsible for all the bad shit like slavery and everything bad that happened throughout history”.

He reminded me back then of Frank Collins, a jewish interpretation of what a ‘neo-nazi’ would behave like.

Then came the way he was given the position formerly held by Brandon Martinez who was editing ZionCrimeFactory at the time, ZCF and his boss fell out and Anglin was given the gig.

From there DailyStormer started up.

Whether or not this is true, what is interesting is what motivates it. There is a distrust of the Hollywood Nazis. That in turn is interesting. Anglin himself seems to be a friendly fellow, a funny and competent writer, and works like a fiend on his site. My guess is that the estimate of 70 hours a week may be low.

But Anglin the phenomenon is something else. He divides us not because of who he is, but because of his popularity and what it portends. We may be seeing the same thing that happened with the eponymous forum indicated in the Stormfront Effect, which seemed like 100,000 Nazis ready to take over the world and ended up being far fewer with far lesser ambitions, despite being a good forum for Right-wing discussion.

As written about previously here, the problems with White Nationalism 1.0 were obscured by its popularity with a small but fervent audience who ended up having little influence. White nationalism attracted people who liked Hollywood Nazism, was quite popular, and then faded away because no one stuck around after seeing that nothing of import was actually happening.

The popularity of DSRS makes us feel like the Alt Right is going through the Stormfront Effect and will end up a political irrelevancy, a few hundred thousand people camped out in special “safe spaces” where they can use the naughty words they want without getting kicked out. Humor, while enjoyable, requires simplifying a message to a caricature, and this in turn causes the message to lose meaning.

Instead of blaming Anglin and others, we should look at the actual problem: the audience. This is the same problem that European-descended people have with democracy at large. Whenever what is popular is chosen over what is right, the message gets dumbed down and then the group collapses.

That in turn is rooted in the problem of class revolt, or as we might call it hubris, in which people become individualistic and decide that they are more important than the larger patterns of nature and logic that they do not understand. In other words, they want what they want and they think they deserve it, even if it has consequences they do not understand.

All great civilizations perish from caste warfare because great civilizations make it easier to survive and as a result, become bottom-heavy when the r-strategy lower echelons have more surviving infants. Then, not understanding what is required to make society work, this group seizes power and consequently fails from that lack of understanding, which they then blame upon whatever remnants of order exist. These societies consume themselves from the bottom-up.

This process is similar to consumerism. Instead of looking at what they need, people think about what they want, and so mindlessly buy products to try to fill the void within. In this case, the products they want are excuses for their own failings and lack of power in the ways that matter. They are allied with the merchants who sell them ideas in products like books, plays and movies.

Agitation by these groups creates an inverted society where idiocy rules and no one is important unless they become popular, but they only become popular by telling convenient lies, so soon everything becomes a lie. As we watch our civilization eat itself alive, we cannot blame Andrew Anglin for being popular, but we can blame ourselves for allowing popularity to rule us.

Tanya Gersh Lies About Her Actions That Caused The “Trollstorm”

Thursday, April 20th, 2017

In perpetually-clueless The Guardian, Montana realtor Tanya Gersh — best known for her attempt to extort money from Richard Spencer’s mother — whines about how she has been made accountable:

The post on the Daily Stormer last December claimed I had been trying to extort and threaten the mother of Richard Spencer, a white nationalist whose family has a vacation home in our town. It had a photograph of me and contact information: phone numbers, email addresses, and links to social media profiles for me, my husband, my friends, my colleagues. It had my son’s Twitter handle. He is 12 years old.

…Do we tell our children that we’re running in the middle of the night because we’re Jewish?

There are too many lies so far, so we are going to stop there. First and foremost: are you running because you are Jewish, or because you committed the Federal crime of extortion in collusion with a Leftist terror group?

Here is the vital quotation from Richard Spencer’s mother:

On November 22, Gersh and I spoke on the phone. She relayed to me that if I did not sell my building, 200 protesters and national media would show up outside — which would drive down the property value — until I complied.

Tanya Gersh does not refute this statement anywhere. By doing so, she admits it is true. She spins it slightly different, but never refutes it.

However, she wants to shift the blame to anti-Semitism — admittedly a component of The Daily Stormer — instead of her own actions.

Jewish people may be as self-destructive as whites, which makes sense since Jewish people are just white people with an additional 2-5% of Semitic DNA.

Gersh, by denying the actual complaint and blaming anti-Semitism, is weakening every case of outrage at actual anti-Semitism. She broke the law. Deflecting from that will make people very angry. This is how Holocausts happen, just like the 40% participation in the Communist Party by 2% of the general population made it all too easy for people to buy into the anti-Semitism and go along with the raging mob.

Then, with no warning, Sherry Spencer published a post on Medium attacking me and telling a twisted version of our interactions.

Gersh seems to forget her own statements:

“She (Sherry) is profiting off of the people of the local community, all the while having facilitated Richard’s work spreading hate by letting him live and use her home address for his organization.”

She contradicts herself and in doing so, proves that her statements in The Guardian are lies.

That being said, Amerika stands against anti-Semitism. Jews act in self-interest like every other group, and the solution as Theodor Herzl said is nationalism, or relocation of Jews to a land of their own where they are safe. (The last part is crucial; they are not “safe” while Palestinians, Syrians and others are raging around with homemade missiles and suicide attacks.)

We also do not take the position of The Daily Stormer, although we do not support the lawsuit against them either. The correct response to abusive and criminal realtors like Tanya Gersh is to submit a complaint to the regulatory board. Note: she has not been prosecuted for her extortion attempt.

Instead of acknowledging her own failings, Ms. Gersh and those who support her have embarked upon a disastrous lawsuit which can only end badly:

Andrew Anglin, publisher of far-right site Daily Stormer, has been sued in Federal Court today for $300,000, stemming from his reporting about Tanya Gersh, a Montana real estate agent who he accused of attempting to extort Richard Spencer’s mother into selling a Whitefish, Montana property. In the lawsuit, Anglin is accused of creating a “troll storm” against Gersh that caused her emotional distress and anxiety.

…The lawsuit, filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Montana, Missoula Division, seeks compensatory and punitive damages. It accuses Anglin of invading Gersh’s privacy and intentionally inflicting emotional distress. It also outlines how his campaign violated the Montana Anti-Intimidation Act.

If the courts approve of this suit, they are going to open the door to infinite frivolous lawsuits by people enraged at their clashes with others. After all, what did Gersh lose? She received threatening messages by phone, email and social media. She lost her job, but then again, she also committed a crime, so Gersh losing her real estate license or job is hardly Anglin’s fault. It is Gersh’s fault.

On the other hand, if the court refuses this case, they may open the door to more online harassment. Then again, one wonders if that cat can be put back in the bag, since too many people rely on online information as “true” and not enough realize that it is the new daytime television, i.e. of dubious truth value at best.

In the bigger picture, however, the truth is plain: Gersh is not a good actor here; in fact, she is committing what can only be viewed as extortion. American courts are unwilling to raise this case because they fear violating political correctness.

At Amerika, we both reject trollstorms and think Tanya Gersh belongs in jail. Sherry Spencer did not deserve this attack, which leveraged the threat of Leftist rioters against her, and Richard Spencer should be able to speak his mind without all of these puny, parasitic people attacking him.

All of this is more evidence that America the nation ended years ago. There was a chance for a nation here, but instead, we divided it up into special interest groups, and now they are warring it out in court, essentially passing the costs on to the rest of us. As Roosh V elaborates:

As for prudent measures to protect yourself, I recommend not criticizing or speaking against individual Jews in the United States, who can reach out to multiple organizations with deep pockets. Jews are a privileged group that can not be criticized like heterosexual men or white people can by the media or organizations like the SPLC, which came after me in 2012. This lawsuit proves that even a middle class Jewish woman in the middle of Montana has the full backing of the powerful Jewish lobby—with tens of millions of dollars in the bank—to attack her enemies.

He’s right, but we should elaborate on this: Jews are only one of the many special interests dividing America. GMO foods, elderly pensions, women, military contractors, Hispanics, the pharmaceutical industry, minority races, minority religions and mothers against drunk driving all have their advocacy groups, donors and lobbyists. This is how democracy always ends, as a de facto oligarchy that becomes so chaotic it culminates in tyranny.

In the meantime, the actual problem remains unaddressed. Sherry Spencer should not have been persecuted for her son’s beliefs. Tanya Gersh (and others) did the persecution. We need to end the situation where people can be attacked for their beliefs alone, and grow up and accept differences in thought.

Nationalist Public Radio, Episode 4: Milogate

Friday, March 3rd, 2017

In this episode, the team tackles Milogate and extrapolates from it to homosexuality and “social justice” issues that the Left has primed our society to fascinate itself with while waiting for the End. Instead, we look at some unorthodox solutions and question whether these issues are issues at all.

0:00 – Introduction of the topic

1:30 – Roderick and James discuss Milogate and how the Left would react to a similar situation

8:50 – Peter and Roderick spar on the Gay Question

21:20 – Brett discusses how Leftism and homosexuality co-exist

30:00 – Where do we go from Milo?

41:15 – Does the Alt-Right need a leader?

  • No, the Alt-Right will not die with Milo
  • Roderick notes that the Alt-Right is a diffuse movement that doesn’t need a leader
  • Peter argues that a reading-list, so to speak, is better than a head ideologue for the Alt-Right

46:00 – How should the Alt-Right subvert censorship?

  • Brett notes that censorship of moderates like Nick Land lead to more hardcore people rising up
  • We need to offer something like “thought leaders”

56:00 – Should we withdraw from the mainstream?

  • Brett notes that there is a short term benefit, but we also need a long term strategy
  • James notes that we don’t need the mainstream media anymore
  • 1:01:28 – Alex Jones on Goblins

1:02:00 – Should we punch Right?

  • “Punching Right” by Greg Johnson
  • Brett discusses what “punching Right” means
  • James notes that the shitlords do shift the Overton Window
  • 1:07:30 – “Punch Everywhere” by Andy Nowicki
  • Peter argues that punching everywhere strengthens movements
  • Everitt and Brett discuss the concept of Whiteness
  • Perhaps culture is a better metric than ‘Whiteness’
  • 1:27:00 – Brett confirmed for Zionist

1:29:30 – Closing and Outro

Visit our Nationalist Public Radio Archives to listen to past episodes of the show.

Andrew Anglin, Meet Billy Roper

Thursday, January 5th, 2017

Hi, Andrew —

Apparently, you have never met Billy Roper.

Honestly, I had never even heard of this guy until this thread. — Andrew Anglin @ Stormfront

It’s hard to believe you two have not met. After all, Mr. Roper has been active in this movement since at least the mid-1990s, and he has preserved much of the knowledge we now use to move forward.

You might want to read our interview with Mr. Roper or a review of his latest book.

He’s quite a fellow! You two have a lot to discuss… and I am sure that you will both benefit from the discussion.

Personally, I consider Mr. Roper one of the few consistent and sane voices over the past 25 years. May we all have such importance!

Anyway, looking forward to you hearing of who this guy is, and appreciating what he has done. Only by knowing the past do we know the future, and Mr. Roper is both the past and the future.

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