If the human species is to survive, it will happen because advanced civilization survives; if advanced civilization is to survive, it is because strong-willed people make exceptional commitments to push back the delusional herd and assert sanity, reality, health and qualitative improvement.
Speaking of those pushing back against a far larger horde, the Communist indoctrination camp that is Reddit, a social media site for meek and resentful people, has seen infiltration by normal users who happen to be Right-leaning. One such group founded /r/RedEnsign, a channel/subforum (or “subreddit”) of that Jacobin social media site which aims to red pill people about the benefits of conservatism and traditionalism in Red Canada.
We were fortunate to get a few words in with the moderators of this dissident guild…
What is /r/RedEnsign, who is your target audience, and why should they go there?
DarthPun: Thanks for giving us this opportunity.
I originally conceived r/RedEnsign as a place for showcasing Canadian culture, which rarely has a platform in modern society, as well as a forum to discuss Canadian right wing politics with a particular traditionalist and nationalist inclination. Unfortunately, a lot of the cultural aspects of the early sub have become less prevalent over time, but there is more political discussion, generally based upon discussing recent news, than ever before.
The target audience for the sub is all Canadians and outsiders who are sympathetic to our cause and want a place where they can discuss Canadian politics and culture. I suppose by virtue of the general usership of Reddit we have a younger demographic than a typical politics forum or news website, however we have yet to perform any sort of sub census to confirm that.
I believe one of r/RedEnsign’s biggest draws is its uniqueness. There simply isn’t a platform elsewhere on the internet (as far as anyone has told me, anyways) that focuses on Traditionalism and Nationalism within a specific Canadian context. We are an up-and-coming platform that has already surpassed better established left wing Canadian subs. I think there is a lot of promise here and people should come to enjoy our hearty discussion and our particular brand of politics.
critfist: As my compatriot has already summed up, /r/RedEnsign has become a place for traditionalists, nationalists, conservatives, and alt right members to discuss recent news with weekly discussions on current events. If it becomes more active and popular I think it could become more of what it was originally supposed to be, a place for Canadian culture from a conservative and traditionalist standpoint.
The target audience is a wide net politically, with social conservatives, liberal conservatives, traditionalists, alt right, paleoconservatives and anyone whose fed up with liberal politics. Demographically, as /u/Darthpun said, isn’t as diverse. With the Reddit makeup being majority 18-25 men we can only a sum it’s the same for /r/RedEnsign.
People should come here over other forums because the unique platform of Reddit allows for an unprecedented level of communication between the users and moderators, it also allows for the organic growth of communities and cooperation between other forums.
Are there unique challenges to being a Canadian conservative, given Canada’s reputation for being highly liberal? How much support do you think there is in Canada for something more like a traditionalist/nationalist outlook, and from what segments of society does it come?
DarthPun: Certainly. Although the situation is different outside of the cities, within big urban centres such as Toronto holding right-wing views among most social circles is highly taboo. Discussion of right wing topics among most company is simply not done. This is exasperated by all of our news stations and almost all of our newspapers having a definite leftist bent. They are happy to give people who openly hate white people like Yusra Khogali air time as if her views are legitimate, but won’t dare to entertain even the most moderate critic of abortion.
This no-platforming is particularly prevalent in terms of criticism of mass immigration and multiculturalism. Unlike the United States, multiculturalism is a legally enshrined national value in Canada, much like it is in Sweden. Criticising multiculturalism and the mass immigration that comes with it is seen as an attack on the very fabric of Canadian culture. The government over the last 40 years has done a very good job of reinventing what it means to be Canadian like that.
There is a certain undercurrent pushing toward nationalism and traditionalism in this country which I believe will break the surface soon. There are many factors in this, but one is certainly the increasing alienation of people who might be termed “ethnic Canadians”. These are the people who could never be considered children of immigration as their families were some of the original settlers. They find themselves progressively marginalised by society through the government and shifting demographic trends. It is becoming difficult for people to ignore crudities like the government giving a race relations award to a woman, the aforementioned Yusra Khogali, who has stated that white people are genetic mistakes or the increasing push for “diversity” in the private sector, post-secondary institutions and government, which I as a government contractor have personally felt.
I believe Canadians, particularly young Canadians who are just coming into life as an adult in this environment, are starting to feel like the country that 10 generations of their family worked to build is being pulled out from beneath them. These people are naturally going to look towards their country’s past, and thus to nationalism and traditionalism.
critfist: Being a conservative has some unique challenges on Canada.
Canada, unlike most nations, has had a government-run focus on eliminating nationalists from the mainstream, especially ethnic nationalists. With decades of programs, media and laws encouraging or enforcing multiculturalism in Canada. This has led to the only real right wing voice in Canada being fiscal conservatives and Christian conservatives.
I think there is a lot of support for more traditional/nationalist ideals in Canada, but that support is being retarded by the lack of platform for those individuals and the generally negative attitude towards the right wing in Canada. This discourages individuals from not only expressing their views but also discourages political organization of said individuals.
I think the majority of support will come from the so called “old stock” Canadians, that is, Canadians who have lived in or immigrated to Canada before 1950. The second group of support are the “middle Canadians.” These people are migrants who came to Canada after WW2 and before the Multiculturalism was put into the charter of right and freedoms in 1982. Most of them are ethnic Germans, Italians and Eastern Europeans.
The reason why I believe they’ll be major supporters is because they have the unfortunate position of being the “middle children” (hence the name) of the Canadian citizenry. They fought hard to make a living in Canada but where essentially dropped by the government in favor of the “new Canadians.” (mostly from SE Asia, India.) They were the first of this trend of immigration to figure out that the government only wanted them because they could act as cheap labor and garner votes. This has caused a real bitterness among middle Canadians that I think is beginning to bubble up with the rise of new political movements like the alt right.
How did you arrive at your current political views, and what did other viewpoints fail to achieve that caused you to pass them by? Do you think conservatism is an ideology, and its traditionalism something different?
DarthPun: Without delving too much into my life story, my views largely grew out of childhood experiences and my father’s traditional conservative politics. I grew up in hyper-diverse Toronto, which at times was a really bad place to be a white kid.
Multicultural policy has led to a deeply divided city and ironically more exclusion than inclusion due to cultural chauvinism essentially promoted by the state. Going to Toronto public schools where white Canadians composed sometimes as little as 2% of the student body my entire primary education and then attending a school with the complete reverse demographics was a real eye opener on the realities of diversity and multiculturalism. I also took a lot from my father’s very typical centre-conservative beliefs as well as an appreciation for history and learning which I carry to this day. I certainly got my sense of traditionalism from my extended family who are all rural folk and have lived on the same land for sometimes hundreds of years. There are many ancient Canadian traditions still practiced in my family that other urban Canadians have long forgotten.
To put things simply, where all other ideologies have fallen short for me is a lack of legacy proving their worth. all other political ideologies have failed at one point or another. Nationalism and Tradition have been proven successful. Another big pull to me towards Nationalism and Traditionalism is the fall of the Roman Empire. The cause of Rome’s fall is essentially due to their move away from nationalism and tradition. These are values that are tried and true and I think it is foolish of us to try and move away from them.
critfist: I used to be your average center-left Canadian citizen, someone happy with multiculturalism and willing to be another cog in the wheel of liberal government. But something changed right around the 2015 election, as I began to talk to larger and larger groups of liberals and globalists in Canada because of the Internet, and the topics began to become increasingly political, topics like multiculturalism, diversity and identity started to be commonplace.
It was by reading those and by talking to others that I had an epiphany. All these globalists and pro diversity citizens didn’t care about my identity. They cared for others, they cared for Arab, Chinese and Indian culture, but my own? No. My culture, my people and its traditions were seen as roadblocks to the future, tiny angry voices desperately trying to prevent “progress.” It was at this point I could no longer support a group that wished for the end of my people and it’s culture, so I abandoned leftism and joined forums like this one.
Other ideologues of the leftist spectrum were similar, communists and anarchists had no will or desire to protect my people or culture. On the right wing spectrum I was considering the alt right label, but the focus on white nationalism (international, diverse) rather than ethnic nationalism (regional, focused) was off-putting. I want to associate more with groups that support my peoples above others and nationalist/traditionalism was a better fit.
Conservatism is an ideology, but it’s one that is seldom understood. Due to the influence and voice of American politics we began to accept that liberals with a social conservative slant were true conservatives. A true conservative something closer to a traditionalist, think “High Tories”) isn’t crutched by liberal ideology, ideologies like universal human rights, social diversity and unrestricted market. In other words, Conservatism is an ideology, but it’s overshadowed by the modern idea of “Conservatism,” which in reality is just liberalism.
Traditionalism is different from conservatism, since while conservatism is more focused on the protection of the status quo in society, traditionalists seek to learn from the mistakes of the past and to apply those lessons to modern times. Like /u/Darthpun stated, the Roman Empire collapsed due to decadence and degeneration, a traditionalist looks at this collapse and tries to prevent such a fall from happening again by learning from the past.
What is an ideology? Is conservatism an ideology, or something of a different form? And does traditionalism take an even different form from that? Are there any principles we can derive from the progression from ideology to these different forms, if that is the case?
DarthPun: I believe conservatism isn’t so much of an ideology in and of itself. It is more of a label to put on certain right-wing ideologies. In my opinion the views and ideals under the conservative umbrella are simply too diverse to form a single coherent ideology. Beyond the express purpose to “conserve” and resist change, many conservative ideologies have little to do with each other. Perhaps at one point it could have been boiled down to a single line of thought, but in the modern age it has come to encompass too many ideas to be considered a proper ideology.
Traditionalism takes a different a different approach than conservatism, but in many ways a complimentary one. While conservatism seeks to protect and preserve, for me traditionalism is about seeking to reinforce and reinstitute traditional values. I suppose in some ways broad conservatism could be considered a more passive traditionalism.
How do you feel your views relate to nearby or possibly imposter (crypto-Leftist) movements like human biodiversity (HBD), the alt right, neoreaction, Christian reaction, the new right, and white nationalism?
DarthPun: I see other right wing ideologies as temporary allies. We all have different end goals, but for the time being we are on the same direction so it is in all our best interest’s to work together. I see us at the beginning of a new right wing revival in the West. The quickest way to smother this new movement and reduce our gains to dust would be the spread of infighting among the right. A time will come when we will all want to take separate paths, but that time has not yet come, so for now we walk the road together.
criftist: I often hear that in liberal ideology the “the marketplace of ideas” is the cornerstone of equality liberalism. That each idea is competing for minds in a space organized by the liberals. However, it is my belief that this “marketplace” more closely resembles a war zone, ideals do not calmly and casually enter the human consciousness.
Ideals are not beauty, our mind does not readily accept it like it accepts a lover or a sunset, ideals are part of someone, they make up their reality and being. When ideals are brought before us we fight them, studies have even shown how when our ideologies are challenged our brain reacts in the same way as if we were in danger, our eyes dilate, our breath quickens, our cheeks flush and we get filled with rage. It is by all accounts, a fight, a fight of one ideology against another.
To this end I do not see other “right wing” groups like the alt right, neoreaction, new right, etc. As enemies , I see them as weapons. New weapons in the war of ideologies being waged between the two dominant ideologies on earth, Conservatism/traditionalism and Liberalism. Sure, they are not quite as “pure” as old conservatism/traditionalism but they are fighting the same battles, and in some cases are making gains every month.
If you were given absolute power in Canada, what would it look like in five years? Would it have the same political system, lifestyle and concept of itself as a nation?
DarthPun: I think my ideal Canada in five years would look different from the Canada of today, but would be familiar in some ways to those who lived the Canada of yesteryear. This is not to say I advocate a regression back to the postwar years, I see a bright future for a Canada grounded both in tradition but that is still recognizable as a modern country.
I quite like our Westminster Parliament and I truly do think it is an excellent system. I think changes to the actual organisation of government would be minimal, I would however like to see a major change in who could vote. I believe that our country would be best off if voting rights were restricted to one vote per child bearing married couple. I believe our current electorate is highly irresponsible and immature, bestowing sole voting rights to the family would ensure that the electorate has a certain level of maturity and responsibility, not to mention actually having a child would force voters to think wisely about future consequences. As a side, this would also encourage an increase in the birth rate.
Lifestyle would be different than modern Canada. It would be more community and family oriented than today’s society. I would like to see a return to the days of a strong local community. There would be a return of the tradition in everyday life. This would mostly be propagated through community centres and schools. I would also like to see nine months national service after High School implemented for both of the sexes. By national service I mean not necessarily only military, but also community work and labour. This would further instill national values and tradition.
I believe the first order of business would be to do away with this fracturing multiculturalism nonsense. To quote Abraham Lincoln and the Holy Bible, “A house divided upon itself cannot stand”. The fact of the matter is for us to be a stable and cohesive nation moving into the future. This would require that all persons residing within the country to integrate fully and completely. Those unable to integrate would be asked kindly to leave. This of course leads us into the tricky situation of Quebec. If only the British and Anglicised them in the 1750’s this wouldn’t be a problem, but alas they did not. Quebec has been a good friend, but a highly tumultuous one at times, not to mention that the dual society policy was the foundation of multiculturalism policy. I’m afraid to say Quebec would have to leave Confederation, but remain a loyal ally. I would also like to see first nations reserves become independent microstates, or perhaps amalgamated into one or two larger states.
In terms of economic policy I would like to see an decreased reliance on imports, particularly manufactured goods, through tariffs and quotas. I would also like to see Canada refine it’s own gasoline. Unlike u/critfist I believe complete autarky is not ideal simply based on the theory of comparative advantage. We still have things to gain from a certain level of international trade. I would also like to see a move away from fiat currency, perhaps to a dollar directly backed by a combination of gold and financial assets.
Do you think it is (a) possible and (b) wise to demand this? The first part asks if it is realistically possible that people from the third world, Asia, and Israel can integrate with an Anglo society; as a subset of this, we should ask if even European outliers (Southern, Irish, Eastern) can integrate with Anglo society. The second part asks if this is a good idea. To Anglicize someone is to bring them into the bloodline, which then changes it. Is this not just multiculturalism/miscegenation by another name?
DarthPun: I think it is possible. It would require the removal of many people who are simply unable to integrate. This likely compose the entirety of Canada’s third world population. I believe forming a single cohesive culture within the nation is necessary for its continued survival.
Certainly not. Multiculturalism requires multiple cultures living within one nation. I would want only one. In regards to racial purity, absolute purity is nearly unachievable. Even the Anglos in Canada are mixed to an extent, generally with other British and Germanic peoples. In my Canada that wouldn’t change. I am not asking for admixture of Africans or Asians, only the continued integration of people who have been demonstrated to be able to integrat into Canadian society, namely Europeans.
And you do not draw a distinction between Western Europeans, Southern Europeans and Eastern Europeans?
DarthPun: My distinction would be based on ability to seamlessly integrate into society. I suspect with the right kind of data available a fairly hard line could be drawn on who to include and who not to.
critfist: If I had absolute power Canada would look radically different from present Canada.
Economically. I reject the liberal idea of the free market and the neocon idea that a controlled market is leftist. A controlled state capitalist economically would be able to gear Canada towards the ultimate goal of autarky, (or as close to it as possible) with Canada being one of the few nations to have it as a possibility due to our vast resources.
Political system. This is a tricky one, since while the Westminster system keeps us in contact with our sovereign (god bless her) it also attaches us to an increasingly liberal nation and monarchy. I can’t see things getting much better in the future in that regard. A compromise might be the creation of an individual Canadian monarchy (rather than a union like it is now) which would allow us to retain our current system while keeping our traditions safe.
Lifestyle. The lifestyle in Canada would change as well. There would be tiers of citizenship, with Anglo Canadians being at the top with the most benefits, (such as being allowed to be in the military and hold executive office) next is European Canadians (who’d be able to vote and hold political offices) and at the bottom of the ladder is Non-European Canadians (who cannot vote, hold office, etc.) First Nations would get their own citizenship which would give them non European rights except within their native bands where they elect chiefs and take up leadership roles.
Anglo Canadians would be required to take part in military training similar to the nations of Switzerland and Israel with training, several years of service and rights to free education and services afterwards and a place in the reserves.
concept of itself as a nation
The concept would change. Quebec would have to leave Canada. Quebec is the linchpin in multicultural Canada. Our leaders made a deal with the devil in act of ’82. They decided that in order to eliminate Quebecois nationalism they’d have to tear the fabric that sewed Canada together and take away our ethnic identities by making them worthless. To prevent this from ever happening again Quebec would have to be sundered from the confederation.
Canada faces a unique challenge in dealing with the United States. How do you think these two nations are different, where are they the same, and what would you hope for in the future in the United States?
DarthPun: We have many differences with the Americans. Our history is quite different, sometimes even conflicting. We probably aren’t as dissimilar culturally as we once were, but there is still a perceivable difference. Our government, beyond also being a democracy, is quite different from America’s as well. We however do have many similarities. We are both settler colonial nations composed of primarily European peoples. I would like to see a future where we can work together while keeping an arms distance to maintain our separate cultures. We have had a pretty good history of working together over the last one hundred or so years and I would like to see that persist.
critfist: Canada and the US are (“were”) different on a philosophical level. In the 18th century the borders between Canada and America were virtually non existent. With people freely going between the two areas, after all, we were all part of one very large colony on North America. The only true distinction culturally at the time was the Quebecois, who formed a distinct group (and the largest group) in Canada. What happened during the American revolution however was a split between the British people’s of the colony. A split between the more extremist liberals seeking independence and the conservatives who sought to remain with the British crown. Most of America chose the liberal route, with internal resistance being their largest roadblock, in Canada however there was an almost unanimous support for the British Crown, even the Quebecois preferred the stability of being a British subject than the radicalism of the Americans. In this way, Canada can be said to have been created as a conservative answer to the US, a nation built of conservative and traditional values with the British crown as its head of state.
This leads to your second question, their similarities. You see, at the end of the American revolution tens of thousands of American loyalists left America, some went to Britain, others to the Caribbean, but most went to Canada, with the majority of those people going to southern Ontario and Quebec. At the time only a few scant British settlements were in the area, so the influx of American settlers swelled the English speaking population tremendously. This emigration to Canada effected our nation tremendously, since while those Americans were loyalists to the crown, they still held a significant amount of liberal and American ideals, such as how we see justice, work ethic, freedom of speech and movement, etc. These attitudes made Canada similar to America in many ways, and to outsiders it made them almost identical, hence the modern confusion at our similarities.
For a future with America I can only hope for one option, the eventual destruction or balkanization of it. You see, it’s my opinion that American liberal influence culturally, economically and politically is what has been driving Canada into our current post-national/globalist predicament, and that only through its collapse can Canada hope to have an independent ideological base from America.
Why do you think it is that we are seeing conservative revolutions in mainland Europe, the UK, the Philippines and the United States at this point in history? What does this suggest to you will be the next wave of change, and will it be cultural, social, political or something else?
DarthPun: I think people are seeing that the globalist policies of the West propagated after WWII simply aren’t working for the common man anymore. The only people who really are benefiting from it are the extremely wealthy and the government, not normal, hardworking people, so naturally they are using their political might to struggle against it.
We are can clearly see the rise of a strong new political right throughout the world, but this isn’t necessarily unusual. What makes this time different is it is bringing up new (or maybe very old) cultural, social, and economic attitudes which have been taboo since the second war. So in a sense, all of the political platforms of the right are being reborn, even ones which have been outside of the Overton window for decades now.
It’s a very exciting time to be part of this new right. I think we are in the midst of the policies of the last century dying and are getting a glimpse of what a real 21st century political landscape will look like.
critfist: In modern times we are experiencing an economic crisis of massive proportions. Debt of nations has never been higher, every year more and more jobs become obsolete or automated, industries which made the bread and butter of region for generations have been outsourced to developing nations, and even the next generation has little to be optimistic about when they’re pressured to gain degrees from glorified diploma mills and get into massive debt that will haunt them for decades. As what has always happened in history, economic crisis has been the sparking point of revolution. The Russian revolution, the French revolution, the American revolution, what they all have in common is economic struggles that lead to people who want to bring down the establishment that is causing this. In our case it is the liberal establishment that must be brought down.
The next wave of change will be a cultural change first and foremost. In Europe and the Americas we have been taught (ie Brainwashed) to accept liberalism and migrants with all our hearts and that concepts like nationalism are evil. After the success of the conservatives this brainwashing will reverse itself, people will begin to realize the truth of their situation, their minds no longer filled with the constant stream of liberal outcry that once assaulted it from all sides. It will be the job of the new governments to help facilitate this cultural change.
In your view, what can people do to advance the cause of conservatism and traditionalism in Canada?
DarthPun: Spread the word. A surprising number of people are receptive to these ideas, they just need to have someone present them. Further, talking about conservatism and traditionalism helps break down social stigma about them.
Another mode of spreading the word that we have been doing as of late on r/RedEnsign is poster campaigns. Posters have remarkable utility. They can make your movement seem much larger and all encompassing than it might be in reality. Marxists know this, that’s why you see so many of their posters around.
critfist: As /u/DarthPun said, the best way to spread these views is to simply be vocal. Millions of Canadians hold views similar to our own, but through societal pressures and Isolation, these views are kept from the mainstream. Because of these those millions of people feel like they are alone in what they believe. They remain silent, nod like their supposed to to liberalism, and, without help, eventually succumb to liberalism from outside pressures. Letting these people know that they are not alone, that we can be a unified voice can keep these people from succumbing to pressure. They can find people who support them, talk, laugh and discuss. They no longer have to face to discrimination they once received for their beliefs.
And in that way we can cause tremendous growth to our movement. Just look at /r/The_Donald as an example, before the election I would have never thought that the mostly leftist website could’ve have such a vast amount of supporters for a more right wing candidate.