Prole-Run America (PRA)

When we go looking for solutions, we must sure we have correctly identified the cause of the problem we want to fix. Although that sounds obvious, most people confuse a problem for its cause.

Every problem that appears such that we recognize it has a cause and until we find that cause, we are treating symptoms but not curing the patient. To make matters difficult, these causes are often removed by time and distance from the point of impact.

As you wander through politics, you will eventually find that there is only one issue: the health or lack thereof of the civilization. Everything else is a method to that end. However, most of these end up being misdiagnosed causes and so even radical fixes do not in actuality fix anything.

For the heretical, a few examples:

  • Banks are not the cause of bankruptcy; bad regulation and mass irresponsibility are.
  • Bad government is not the cause of bad government; a clueless population that elects liars and demands unrealistic benefits is.
  • Crime is not the cause of crime, for example; degenerates plus tolerance for degeneracy causes crime.
  • Drug abuse is not the cause of drug abuse; misery, boredom and permissiveness causes drug abuse.
  • Degeneracy is not the cause of degeneracy; lack of will to make moral decisions plus lack of strong social standards is.
  • Pornography is not the cause of rape; a stultified desire for power over other human beings is the cause of both.

Note that cause/effect reasoning is abused in another way, also, which is the liberal tendency to blame social institutions and culture values for the failings of the individual. If Johnny drinks his way through life and ends up impoverished, the banks did it to him, in this view.

We have no shortage of mis-diagnosed causes of our decline, but here’s one example of a talented writer who has picked an intermediate cause and claimed it as the primary cause (in his defense, he never claims to have found a root cause).

This, ladies and gentlemen, is the reality of Black Run America; a nation where every institution is entirely devoted to protecting and promoting the interests of Black people above all others. – SBPDL

He has noticed something true, but it’s not the root cause. The truth of race in America is that all of our diversity-mania, anti-discrimination hysteria and perfervid rage for an egalitarian order is actually a method. This method aims to achieve something else, which is Total Equality (TE).

Since 1789, when the French Revolution overthrew the monarchy and created a republic based on equality, we have been living in an era without leaders. Instead, we are led by the People themselves, which by statistics means we are led by the most numerous group, the proles.

Today, we are living in Prole-Run America (PRA). It is run by proles, who vote, buy products and create social trends. Those votes, purchases and trends in turn determine what the power structure accomodates. The People are the focus of the society and its leaders, and the rest follow their lead.

Then, in order that we may see clearly what we are doing, let us imagine democracy to be divided, as indeed it is, into three classes; for in the first place freedom creates rather more proles in the democratic than there were in the oligarchical State.

That is true.

And in the democracy they are certainly more intensified.

How so?

Because in the oligarchical State they are disqualified and driven from office, and therefore they cannot train or gather strength; whereas in a democracy they are almost the entire ruling power, and while the keener sort speak and act, the rest keep buzzing about the bema and do not suffer a word to be said on the other side; hence in democracies almost everything is managed by the proles. – Plato, The Republic

When you hear about an “evil” corporation, realize that this corporation is selling products the proles demand. An evil bank is writing the policies that government commands and the People desire. Our evil politicians are in office because most of our people voted for them, even if on the basis of lies.

The problem is not our institutions, our leaders, or diversity. Those are intermediate causes. The root cause is that we have handed power to the group least suited to wield it, which is the average (meaning not distinguished by any superior performance) citizen.

The average citizen is oblivious to anything outside his little world. He is selfish, and doesn’t really care about the consequences to others. He litters, and drives too big of a car, and watches too much TV. He’s not suited for anything, except buying products and voting for manipulative politicians.

Prole-Run America (PRA) is what happens when we put all these gullible proles in charge of the most powerful nation-state on earth. They vote for pleasant illusions, and they get angry when unpleasant truths are mentioned, and do their best to bury them and drive away the truth-tellers.

In large groups, they band together and decide to take money from other people, or to make war on other nations like Libya whose only sin is not being a liberal democracy like us. The proles swarm and make trends, turning our culture from forward-looking to inward-looking.

They insist that every concept in politics, economics or the news be super-simplified until it barely explains itself. They will make you rich for pandering to their urges, making excuses for their failings, and offering them whatever venal act or product they desire.

As a result, everyone follows the proles. We need their votes, purchases and trends. Why have Beethoven when the proles want Lady Gaga? Why have filet mignon when the proles want cheeseburgers? Why have sensible politics when the proles want more free handouts, welfare and entitlements?

Prole-Run America (PRA) is the downfall of America. It is a once-powerful country destroying itself from within. Just as the evil corporations are not our problem, the evil Vandals are not our problem. They are just the coup de grace which will come after we destroy ourselves.

Our problem is the individual. The individual citizen, detached from responsibility or concern for consequences, follows his selfish and insular desires. In his wake, he leaves mounds of garbage and poorly-executed ideas. He doesn’t care; he’s getting what he wants.

Most of our fellow proles right now are congratulating themselves on living in the best time ever. They are blind to the fact that this country is disintegrating, and soon will be no more. They don’t notice, because they are distracted by all this free stuff, and good things to buy, and how important they feel.

Together the proles form a crowd, and unaware of the superior logic of anything more complicated than what they can understand, they join up like a lynch mob to smash down the bad ideas and replace them with “safe” ideas in which everyone is equal. The wisdom of crowds turns into brainwashing conformity:

We tweak our stories so that they become better stories. We bend the facts so that the facts appeal to the group. Because we are social animals, our memory of the past is constantly being revised to fit social pressures.

The power of this phenomenon was demonstrated in a new Science paper by Micah Edelson, Tali Sharot, Raymond Dolan and Yadin Dudai. The neuroscientists were interested in how the opinion of other people can alter our personal memories, even over a relatively short period of time. The experiment itself was straightforward. A few dozen people watched an eyewitness style documentary about a police arrest in groups of five. Three days later, the subjects returned to the lab and completed a memory test about the documentary. Four days after that, they were brought back once again and asked a variety of questions about the short movie while inside a brain scanner.

This time, though, the subjects were given a “lifeline”: they were shown the answers given by other people in their film-viewing group. Unbeknownst to the subjects, the lifeline was actually composed of false answers to the very questions that the subjects had previously answered correctly and confidently. Remarkably, this false feedback altered the responses of the participants, leading nearly 70 percent to conform to the group and give an incorrect answer. They had revised their stories in light of the social pressure. – Wired

Alone, we can make reasonable estimates. Together, we fall, because we influence each other and converge on a mean. This mean isn’t one that exists in reality, but in the human mind. We become locked in the intersection of narcissism and oblivion, unaware of anything but ourselves.

Our problem is not one of the issues on the surface, like diversity, the national debt, or the wars overseas. Our problem is that those problems came about because we cannot make decisions, because our motives are corrupt, and because the People cannot lead. Proles are not competent as leaders, and are even worse in large groups.

As a result, like Rome and Greece before us, we enter the slow spiral of decline:

In “Suicide of a Superpower,” out this week, I argue that the America we grew up in is disintegrating, breaking apart along the fault lines of politics, race, ethnicity, culture and faith; that the centrifugal forces in society have now become the dominant forces.

Our politics are as poisonous as they have been in our lifetimes. – Pat Buchanan, “Is America Disintegrating?”

We are falling apart because there is no center.

Instead, we have as many centers as we have people, each pulling in their own direction.

Equality does not produce leadership. It produces the destruction of leadership. Our country drifts without the ability to make firm choices. We try to be everything to everyone. When that doesn’t work, we fight even harder for universal True Equality, like cultists following a dying religion.

As we fall apart, the profiteers are always there:

Today, most authoritarian rulers prefer to keep a low profile. In any case, real power no longer belongs with the medal-wearing figure strutting in front of the crowd, but with the grey men watching from their corporate boardrooms.

To multinational giants such as Glencore, the world’s biggest commodity trader, which controls 50 per cent of the global copper market, 60 per cent of zinc and a quarter of the world’s barley, sunflower and rape seed, most of these dictators must look like pygmies. – Daily Mail

They would not exist if it were not for the proles who demand their products cheaply so that we can all live like kings, or at least whatever slice of kingly life an equal king can lead. Our politicians do nothing because the voters punish inconvenience and unpleasant truths, and reward pleasant illusions.

You’d have to be a fool as a politician to do anything but lie, manipulate, cheat and steal. The voters basically told you to do that. They do not accept true answers; they demand illusions instead. As a result, they sabotage their own prole-leadership.

Add President Clinton to the long list of people who deserve a share of the blame for the housing bubble and bust. A recently re-exposed document shows that his administration went to ridiculous lengths to increase the national homeownership rate. It promoted paper-thin downpayments and pushed for ways to get lenders to give mortgage loans to first-time buyers with shaky financing and incomes. It’s clear now that the erosion of lending standards pushed prices up by increasing demand, and later led to waves of defaults by people who never should have bought a home in the first place. – Business Week

They are only too happy to accept “free” things which are paid for with money taken from others. No one in the crowd expects to have to pay it back; they doubt that they’ll ever have much money in their lives, so nothing minus nothing is still nothing. Might as well get something for themselves, no matter the cost.

Some of the 40 million Americans currently receiving food stamps from the nation’s Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program may soon be able to use them at participating fast food restaurants.

Yum! Brands – the parent company of Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, KFC, Long John Silver’s and A&W – is lobbying to have food stamps be accepted at their restaurants. – WALB

They have trained you to see an evil corporation and blame it. But that’s as off-base as blaming black people for the fact that liberals use them as moral shields for their own wrongdoing. “I’m nice to black people, so I can’t be evil, even if you caught me red-handed!” is a familiar refrain.

What’s going on here is a study in cause and effect. The evil corporation arose because the opportunity is there and the voters are too dumb to figure it out. But what set it down that path was illusory promises and irrational policies, set into motion because those ideas sounded pleasant to 300 million proles.

Prole-Run America (PRA). It will be the last stage of America, and then we can rebuild again. The next nation will start with a simple premise, which is that leaders do what is right, and not simply what is popular, trendy or profitable as the proles would do.

57 Comments

  1. The root cause is that we have handed power to the group least suited to wield it, which is the average (meaning not distinguished by any superior performance) citizen.

    You have done exactly what you accuse the bandaid to braintumour brigade of doing; failure to dig down to the root cause; and instead bullshitting yourself that your root cause is the root cause, instead of digging deeper.

    Your 'root cause' may be a little deeper than the liberals, but it still ain't at the root of the matter.

    1. Nicholas Marville says:

      Andrea, this article is for you:

      http://www.amerika.org/social-reality/frailty-what-is-thy-name/

      The main point of this article unfolds back to our unwillingness to stand up against degeneracy in daily situations because: [1] we risk putting ourselves in danger if we confront some violent drunk or dishonest manager [2] it’s never clear if anyone will stand with us if we do stand up [3] it’s not clear on what grounds we will criticize the other; we won’t feel strong since we will have the feeling these are our personal subjective moral preferences versus those of his.

      By bashing on “the proles” over and over and over again, aren’t you afraid that we will lure the kind people who somehow feel superior to others? They will love reading on this website because they love to think of themselves as princes and unrevealed geniuses and Übermen, but when it comes to cooperating with others they will fall short, thus putting our final aims in jeopardy. Remember, all the people who post on this website are people with regular jobs and houses and bank accounts and ensurances just like everybody else. Then again, we should criticize “the proles” from time to time, which will hopefully lead us to reflect on our lives, so that we will take care not to degenerate to a superficial lifestyle.

      1. Ryan says:

        well said Mr. Marville, you have seen the cancer in her thinking, the denial of responsibility. jesus didn’t just go up on the mount and say, “hey all you guys are dumb hicks and your screwing up judea”. in ADULT life (something that has not occured since around 1968, or maybe even earlier) people are supposed to be unified for the tribe, they need the center, but nowadays any sort of discussion of morality and faith can be brushed away, with “well I don’t really believe that”, or “I believe something else”. what I have learned myself as a young man is that these are NOT OPINIONS just reactions, we simply reject without reflection. it is utterly soul-crushing to hear someone absentmindedly tell you that “western civilization doesn’t matter”, the most horrifying part of that being that they have not even reflected Upon what they have said, but just rejected your attempt at “moral reflection”.

        1. Ryan says:

          we are a society that doesn’t even care enough to have a consistent opinion

          1. The individual comes before anything bigger, especially a consistent opinion.

          2. YT says:

            How do you know if we can’t all agree on that? :)

      2. No matter what you do the people who think they are better than others are going to try to join in and screw it up for you but the more you make it clear that you require actual thinking and action from these people, the less they show up. If you need fewer do-nothings just ask them to do-something and suddenly they’re gone. Just look at OWS when it comes time to clean the toilets.

        1. A. Realist says:

          “If you need fewer do-nothings just ask them to do-something and suddenly they’re gone.”

          The same appears to be true of many of the most prominent critics of this site. They are all easy manners and smiles when it’s time to repeat what they heard on the tellyvision or from their friends in “Introduction to Marxism 101,” but if you ask them to actually — you know — think you get the blank stare, mumbled excuses and maybe even a healthy dose of meaningless argumentation.

  2. Robert W says:

    A society is made up of individuals. If those individuals are, for the most part, upright, then their society will reflect that. If, on the other hand, a society is peopled by a low class lackeys, then that society will mirror the values of low class lackeys.

    The lesson to be drawn from this seems fairly straightforward. If you don’t want your society to turn into a crime ridden warren of vice and degradation, then don’t import Third World degenerates into your society.

    1. EvilBuzzard says:

      We make our own degenerates quite effectively here in America. Listed to 1 hour of FM radio or watch any random sampling of sit-coms. THink of what you are being told you should behave like. Our popular “culture” currently conditions our social peers to behave in as fuctarded a manner as objectively possible.

      1. Nicholas Marville says:

        It is true. And this lascivious, superficial feelgood matter settles into the minds of our young women, where it mixes with the selectively prudish attitudes they have somehow inherited from shards of christianity, making them altogether callous yet inflammable, shallow and unpredictable.

      2. We make our own degenerates quite effectively here in America.

        Very true.

        In addition to that, we’re importing people who will be used as cheap labor in a culture they don’t understand.

        Resentment, clash, hatred and passive aggression are inevitable.

        1. EvilBuzzard says:

          So it becomes an “our degenerates are better than their degenerates” kind of thing?

          1. crow says:

            Surely it’s a case of how many degenerates?
            Having plenty already, why add ever more?

    2. Ryan says:

      good point robert

    3. If, on the other hand, a society is peopled by a low class lackeys, then that society will mirror the values of low class lackeys.

      You mean proles?

  3. Ah-ha says:

    “Most of our fellow proles right now are congratulating themselves on living in the best time ever. They are blind to the fact that this country is disintegrating, and soon will be no more. They don’t notice, because they are distracted by all this free stuff, and good things to buy, and how important they feel.”

    I agree with this statement more.

    “With the past, I have nothing to do; nor with the future. I live now.”
    - Ralph Waldo Emerson

    1. “With the past, I have nothing to do; nor with the future. I live now.”
      - Ralph Waldo Emerson

      I think you may be taking this out of context.

      The point is not to be reacting to the past, or planning a future, but to be mentally present and mindful in the instant. This shows up in many spiritual and philosophical doctrines.

      However, what Emerson would never say is to disregard the learning of the past, or not to make considerate decisions regarding the future. In the quotation you gave, he is talking about mental state, not the ability to plan.

      1. Ah-ha says:

        Are you sure I misinterpreted the quote? Isn’t “being distracted by free stuff and good things to buy and how important they feel” living in the now? Irregardless if they’re living in the now for their benefit or not, I interpret the Ralph Waldo Emerson quote as something that can only be translated subjectively by that individual.

        So if these individuals are materialistic proles according to you because they’re “blind to the fact that this country is disintergrating”, they’re still living in the now the best and only way they can.

        1. I interpret the Ralph Waldo Emerson quote as something that can only be translated subjectively by that individual.

          Another liberal.

          Life is not meant to be interpreted. You figure it out objectively or you’re just making stuff up and sure to fail when it turns out that reality is more complicated than your insane little plans.

          1. Ah-ha says:

            “Life is not meant to be interpreted.”

            Yet you’re interpreting it with your propaganda. Don’t dismiss me as a liberal just because your penial brain is deadset on someone else’s ideology.

            You think that you see things objectively but you’re just like every other liberal you despise. Reality is more complicated and you gained nothing by typing such silly drivel.

            Dumbass.

    2. A. Realist says:

      “With the past, I have nothing to do; nor with the future. I live now.”

      Is that why Ralph Waldo never bothered writing down a single political, social, or religious opinion?

      O_o

  4. crow says:

    Everything has a center. Galaxies wheel around a core. Planets around a sun. Electrons around a nucleus.
    Everything has a center, except humans.
    Humans did, once, and to be fair, some still do.
    But by relinquishing this center, one speeds off into space, alone and without context, headed for parts unknown.
    There is a reason humans have always revered whatever they saw as the Divine. Whatever they called it, and whatever form it took, it gave humans a baseline, a context, from which to operate as humans.
    Remove this center, and what remains?
    It’s difficult even to describe it, no?
    Even though it is what we see, every day.

    1. Ryan says:

      blasted materialists! they should all rot in “geologic oblivion”!

      1. Things Are Bad says:

        The Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 9:30

        30 But wo unto the rich, who are rich as to the things of the world. For because they are rich they despise the poor, and they persecute the meek, and their hearts are upon their treasures; wherefore, their treasure is their god. And behold, their treasure shall perish with them also.

    2. A. Realist says:

      “Everything has a center.”

      Clearly my befuddled friend you do not understand. We have chosen not to have a center. And because we are such super-geniuses that we control every aspect of our futures, we do not need a center. Q.E.D. If you don’t like it, you’re part of the patriarchy and owe me taxes.

  5. crow says:

    I found this, on my travels online, and decided it was a useful insight into what it takes to stay healthy in mind and spirit:

    “The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences. When love and hate are both absent everything becomes clear and undisguised. Make the smallest distinction, however, and heaven and earth are set infinitely apart. If you wish to see the truth then hold no opinion for or against. The struggle of what one likes and what one dislikes is the disease of the mind.”

    It is, of course, the essence of taoism, and as such, is difficult for the western mind to grasp. It is, however, the route to peace, and after the battle is won, if it ever is, we might need some viable way of maintaining that peace.

    1. The struggle of what one likes and what one dislikes is the disease of the mind.

      Likes and dislikes affirm the narcissism of the perceiver.

      I like to think of it in computer terms — Model, View, Controller.

      1. crow says:

        We’re never going to get away from narcissism; it comes with the territory. What we can do is become aware of it, and its effects, thus relegating it to its reasonable place.
        Narcissism and ego are the core corrosives eating away at our culture(s). They can only do so in the absence of a solid spiritual base. Christianity has (thus far) failed to evolve along with the species, and until it does, or is replaced with something more adaptable, there will be little to slow down the rot.

        1. Narcissism and ego are the core corrosives eating away at our culture(s). They can only do so in the absence of a solid spiritual base.

          A spiritual base is part of a consensus, which is what we actually need. By consensus I mean values system and worldview we all agree on, not forced agreement on compromise (as in the modern use of “consensus”). By its nature, such a consensus occurs at the lowest levels of a values system, thus is held in common between philosophy, religion, science and politics as well as what we conventionally think of as “culture” (rituals, customs, calendars, language, foods, clothing, etc).

          1. We either have culture or we get more laws, as you can see in the U.S. of A. the problem has been no agreement on any values or direction for so long we are just trying to be everything to everybody and it is not working.

        2. Things Are Bad says:

          “Christianity has (thus far) failed to evolve along with the species, and until it does, or is replaced with something more adaptable, there will be little to slow down the rot.”

          And as long as our culture considers the male as merely a tool to be used to protect the female, the rot will continue. http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

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  7. Decimator says:

    I regretfully say that Democracy, at this point will only perpetuate the downfall the U.S.. Disintegration and fragmentation is our true salvation. The disintegration of government rule and control will precede the fragmenting of our social structure. The end of total equality concept will evaporate and we will self segregate into like minded groups. The perpetual welfare class will reach critical mass and revert to a mob of murderous thieves. These mobs will hunt down anything that looks lavish. They will not try to hoard food and water, they’ll be out for Range Rovers, 60 inch flat screens and anything that intoxicates. They will be brutal on wealthy neighborhoods and down town business. The “occupy types” will physically hunt and attack anyone or thing that represents a higher order. Then their surface blame/hatred for race will significantly thin their mobs. Any of us that have compassion for any of them will become a victim. Compassion may be morally legitimate but must be kept in reserve. During this time is when the work is done. Like minded thinkers must band together and envision the future. We must formulate a plan to secure relevant technology and resources. We must undermine the proles to the point that they can only survive by our hand. Now is the time to meter our compassion because now it will be appreciated. By metering out compassion we will establish cause and effect thinking. While in our own hearts, fulfill our moral human obligation. By this time the overburden of population will have been greatly reduced. Our next largest hurdle will be contending with the remainder of the world, who wants what is left of the U.S.. Lots of leaps in that but we are all smart enough to fill it in.

    Don’t think that I am against democracy, I’m not. I believe it should be weighted. Much in the same way our individual abilities carry weight. Brain surgeons rocket scientists and thinkers should get more of a vote. I’m none of these, so I don’t sense a bias. I have to add ,that unless brain surgeons, rocket scientists and thinkers want to waist there time collecting garbage, The weight of a vote will have to fluctuate with population saturation. What I mean by this is that we have no need for 30% of the population to be rocket scientists any more than we need 40% proles. This whole concept is something I grapple with daily. I don’t have the answers and I may not have the capability of deriving the answer but I have to pontificate to find solace. These thoughts keep my friend list very short and clear entire rooms when someone say, “what we need to do is….” . The statement generally ends in, take from and give to or more government this and that. After I clear my head of vision of grandeur, me and a battle ax, I rant. Then they do what they always do, break out the label maker. Racist, ect.. ect..blah blah blah.

    1. Ouroboros says:

      “Brain surgeons rocket scientists and thinkers should get more of a vote. ”

      What if they are liberals? What if they are simply proles that have a higher IQ? What if they buy into modern garbage like the hipster working at a coffee shop?

      Occupation doesn’t always equal wisdom. Note I said *wisdom* and not intelligence. While intelligence is always great, I don’t think wisdom is talked about enough as an important concept.

      The aforementioned people in those occupations surely are intelligent, but are they WISE? Intelligence and wisdom are two concepts that unfortunately do not go together that often. When they do, great, but in the meantime I think we need more wisdom than book smarts when it comes to making decisions.

      1. crow says:

        Decimator has lots of energy. Lots of questions. Lots of activity. He says he is dumb, but he’s not. If he has a lack, then it is a lack of peace. He is too busy to understand. And he really wants to understand.

        Ouroboros is less active, less gung-ho. He contemplates. He stops and considers. He sees that understanding isn’t as important as wisdom. He is not nearly so interested in why something works, as he is in knowing that it does work.

        A crow is all of these things, at different times, and none of them, the rest. A crow doesn’t care how the magic is done; it is the magic, itself, that interests a crow.

        Intelligence is a useful thing, for sure.
        A specialized tool. I have lots of uses for it.
        It comes in handy for those fiddly jobs where nothing else will work.

      2. People need good character in addition to intelligence but most people who are truly intelligent also tend to be more reasonable. Its the Bernie Madoff, Jeff Skilling and Barack Obama types who are soulless rip-off shysters because they are smart but not smart enough to be aware of the consequences of their actions and why they should care.

      3. A. Realist says:

        “What if they are simply proles that have a higher IQ?”

        A large problem, indeed.

        IQ measures a good many things, but we have to be careful not to confuse “above-average” with genius, as the liberals seem to do in their quaint little studies that “prove” how smarter people turn toward the left.

        I trust IQ more than educational attainment, since these days you can even get an “A” on an astrophysics paper by finding a feminist interpretation of gravity (it’s rape, clearly) and I trust IQ more than political opinion, but I trust character the most.

        It’s why the blue-bloods and aristocrats were and are our best leadership caste. Centuries of refinement through selective breeding made us people who don’t need to think, reason, use mathematics or draw charts. They simply assess organically and make a good job of it, most of the time. A lot more than our current crop of geniuses.

        I would be willing to place good money on the wager that if we IQ-tested our new elites, we would find that most of them place above 120 but below 125 IQ points. They aren’t yet to the level of peeking inside the hatband of genius, if you know what I mean. That could explain their popularity with voters, because an idiot loves nothing more than a smart idiot who makes all idiots seem smart or at least “valid” (see my comments on this elsewhere in this thread) but it does not make them good leaders. As we have daily proof.

    2. A. Realist says:

      “I regretfully say that Democracy, at this point will only perpetuate the downfall the U.S.”

      I really enjoy your comments here, so please don’t suppose my elitism is directed at you. Of all the people posting here, you’re the one who should have gone to a good college because you have an investigative spirit of mind.

      I have to ask, without attacking your point, however, why you are regretful about saying that democracy will perpetuate the downfall of the United States. In other words, there seems to be a high correlation between democracy and the downfall of nations. Why should we be apologetic about noticing that?

    3. Things Are Bad says:

      What does it matter?

      We’re in for another round of natural selection. And another after that. And after that, until we either wise the fuck up and get off this rock or we’re destroyed by our own hands (we may be destroyed by natural forces but only due to our negligence in not perpetuating the species to other planets).

      You can try to get your piece of the pie, and good luck to you, but I’m not really interested in putting more chips into the pot. I fold. The human race with its massive flaws isn’t worth my investment.

      Don’t make the mistake of thinking you’ll solve all our problems on your first go. Most likely you will simply be destroyed. If you manage to survive, your plans may succeed somewhat in the short term but will fail again in the long term. Another collapse, another reconstruction, another round of killing, another roll of the dice to see who survives. Over and over.

      And even when we get into space, it will continue.

      Good luck, humans!

  8. Nicholas Marville says:

    They will evolve into Mad Max hordes, going around with sort of cars from The Dukes of Hazzard, raping and pillaging everything in their way. But eventually they start infighting due to race prejudices and dissolve into several gangs competing with one another for territory and prestige. Sort of like the Medieval Ages but then without the Church trying to keep it in check.

    “Like minded thinkers must band together and envision the future. We must formulate a plan to secure relevant technology and resources. We must undermine the proles to the point that they can only survive by our hand.”

    This pretty much directly follows from the Characterless Thesis (a piece of the answer might be reconstructed from that). For more info on that, see:

    http://www.amerika.org/politics/characterless-society-ii/

    “Brain surgeons rocket scientists and thinkers should get more of a vote.” I agree with Ouroboros here, because I as I pointed out in Characterless Society I, these sort of “upper class” types usually live away from third worlder occupied ghettos. They live in universities and offices where only the high ranking employees are hired and only hard working, motivated people are allowed entry. So these people have a naive and biased image of the world. Don’t leave politics up to rocket scientists, because I have experienced in my life that minds that are very highly qualified to compute abstrace numbers, end up spouting out complete nonsense when it comes to topics as spirituality, history, theology, society and ideology. There rationality is often limited to only one dimension.

    1. Do you link to blogs that you have written in every reply you make? Maybe you should just put up a banner instead and get the advertising out in the open.

      1. Nicholas Marville says:

        Most of the people who post here do so because they like to think that they, in the end, support a grand vision of an organic / harmonious / hierarchic society. Yet the nature of the comments they leave sometimes point towards a different direction. That is one of those comments. There’s no need for envy, spite or resenment: I post it to create connections between relevant points that have been brought up in previous discussions.

        1. Nicholas Marville says:

          Reading back these comments, I meant to elucidate that this website exists primarily for the purpose of self-education. Pointing others the way towards further study, is therefore in complete accordance with the purpose of the website. I figure it is better to pool a lot of knowledge and argumentation regarding a subject in one place, than to spread discussion about that topic all over the place. The latter risks creating many less thorough copies of the same discussion and omitting powerful relevant arguments.

    2. A. Realist says:

      “Don’t leave politics up to rocket scientists, because I have experienced in my life that minds that are very highly qualified to compute abstrace numbers, end up spouting out complete nonsense when it comes to topics as spirituality, history, theology, society and ideology.”

      Why would we ever assume the two are similar?

      Scientists and academics work in a passive field. They see data, they make a hypothesis, and interpret it. They are not required to see truth. They have only to make a working provable hypothesis, and that does not even require them to get to the root cause of their experimental subjects.

      Leadership is an active field. The last person you want as a leader is some bean-counting nutcase like Obama or Clinton who insists on hard figures. A good leader looks at a multitude of uncertain and ambiguous factors and makes a careful balancing test, then produces a result, and to the onlookers gathered it seems a miracle or magic.

      If our society is so foolish as to apply the principles of science to leadership (it will, undoubtedly) it will get a lack of leadership and instead a very reactionary, dogmatic and entrenched government. Oh, I see they’ve anticipated my thoughts, and already done that. Pathetic.

  9. YT says:

    “They will not try to hoard food and water, they’ll be out for Range Rovers, 60 inch flat screens and anything that intoxicates. They will be brutal on wealthy neighborhoods and down town business. The “occupy types” will physically hunt and attack anyone or thing that represents a higher order. Then their surface blame/hatred for race will significantly thin their mobs. Any of us that have compassion for any of them will become a victim. Compassion may be morally legitimate but must be kept in reserve. During this time is when the work is done. Like minded thinkers must band together and envision the future. We must formulate a plan to secure relevant technology and resources.”

    Ok..here’s what we do:

    Put all the shiney rims and TVs in the middle of a gully and line the ridge with riflemen…

    In all seriousness has there ever been a time in history when society unglued into mad-max all at once? It took centuries to transition from Rome into Dark Ages. The technology and knowledge wasn’t carried off by visigoths, it was forgotten as a uniform society large enough to support it broke up into small conclaves.

    Our way of life is only supportable by very high specialization of labor and can only continue to by continuing to be integrated in a global way. That doesn’t mean we have to all submit to the God of diversity and integration but it does mean continuing to trade with others for mutual benefit.

    1. In all seriousness has there ever been a time in history when society unglued into mad-max all at once?

      Of course not, that would require an act of God or Satan, but societies die all the time from just falling apart. There are many symptoms of falling apart but the basic problem is that everybody is going in their own direction and there’s no longer any unity so no body will sacrifice for any common goal. The society just falls apart then.

      1. Decimator says:

        Ouroboros, you are absolutely correct. I apologize for leaving an assumption on the table. Assuming that those who are remaining, have formed into groups of people that share the views and morality that most of the writer on this sight share. Crow is spot on in reference to me. Lots of energy, highly agitated, very skillful and looking for answers. Thank you both for the critique.

        1. Assuming that those who are remaining, have formed into groups of people that share the views and morality that most of the writer on this sight share.

          Probably there are going to be multiple groups and each will try to find a place apart from the others so that it can gain military strength and get ready to conquer them, because there is no peace as long as you are surrounded by potential enemies.

    2. A. Realist says:

      “In all seriousness has there ever been a time in history when society unglued into mad-max all at once?”

      It’s very hard to destroy a civilization like that. It’s not hard at all to have one rot from within. One need only look to places like East Europe, Southern Europe, Brazil, China, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Argentina, Ecuador and Mexico to see what it’s like to fall apart from within. One day you’re living in the plush suburbs of a place on the way up, and a week later you’re in a third world country, surrounded by day laborers and ruled by sadistic oligarchs.

      The USA has set itself on a path to become Argentina or Brazil. They have replaced their native laborers with Indians and imported a slave-caste of Africans to do the dirty work, and now are busily killing each other off with toxic families, pointless career strife, suicidal political division and worst of all, and I mean this most earnestly, a public morality of drawing attention to oneself through self-negation.

      When the Chinese finally grow a pair of balls and invade, they’re going to find a giant siesta taking place while the remaining intelligent people turn cruel and loot the schools, museums, and hospitals for precious metals.

  10. Abrasive Cleanser says:

    The society just falls apart then.

    Testing code to see what happens. I’m hoping for a big quotation mark. Am I going to get lucky..?

    1. Abrasive Cleanser says:

      Ah – that’s how it’s done!

      1. Just put it in blockquotes like on Blogger, then it formats it for you.

  11. Logan says:

    My initial thought is the same put forward by Andrea. I do not believe that you identified the root cause. You need to examine the phenomenon of social conditioning and then identify the ultimate sources of that conditioning which are often found in cultural history.

    In the early 20th Century there was a cultural shift from the Romantic 19th Century to what has been called “the Modern”. Some key individuals are found in the Bloomsbury Group, a bunch of rich college students. There is Virginia Woolf who laid the foundations for modern feminism, Lytton Strachey who gave us revisionist history, Roger Fry gave us Modern Art, and John Maynard Keynes gave us modern economics. Most of what they promoted derived from Freud’s “Pleasure Principle” which was furthered by Freud’s nephew, Edward Bernays who invented modern marketing and propaganda.

    But these were just the foundations. The academics, intellectuals, and teachers they influenced went on to wield incredible cultural influence in the universities in the late 60′s and then school rooms and mass media in the early 90′s.

    The result is a populace obsessed with their own ego and self-gratification in whatever form it expresses itself, from mass consumption, to corrupt politicians and political views, and even self-serving ideology and religion.

    In his book “Civilization, the West and the Rest” economic historian Niall Ferguson identifies six virtues that led to the rise and dominance of Western Civilization and concludes that when civilizations fall it is usually sudden, within a few generations, and the potential cause for our fall is our own self-loathing. This can be rephrased as a problem of ego. As a song lyric says, “I feel like I’m the worst so I always act like I’m the best”.

    1. In the early 20th Century there was a cultural shift from the Romantic 19th Century to what has been called “the Modern”. Some key individuals are found in the Bloomsbury Group, a bunch of rich college students. There is Virginia Woolf who laid the foundations for modern feminism, Lytton Strachey who gave us revisionist history, Roger Fry gave us Modern Art, and John Maynard Keynes gave us modern economics. Most of what they promoted derived from Freud’s “Pleasure Principle” which was furthered by Freud’s nephew, Edward Bernays who invented modern marketing and propaganda.

      That happened long after the start of the problem.

      Are you trying to argue that liberalism is a good thing, and it just got taken over by some bad people?

    2. Things Are Bad says:

      The root cause is simple: human nature. We evolved in a competitive environment, so we are selfish. We are not a bee hive or a race of automatons with perfect rationality.

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