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	<title>Comments on: Can Life Prevail? by Pentti Linkola</title>
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	<description>New Right, Conservationist, Traditionalist, Deep Ecology and Conservative Thought: Conservation Conservatism (Crunchy Paleoconservatism)</description>
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		<title>By: Brett Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.amerika.org/books/can-life-prevail-by-pentti-linkola/comment-page-1/#comment-5332</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 13:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Linkola tempered with Evola hints at how civilization can maintain the best of its “wildness” while still allowing for order in a spiritual sense.
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I&#039;m with Jim Morrison on this one -- we need new frontiers, constantly, or we become stagnant and infighty.</description>
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Linkola tempered with Evola hints at how civilization can maintain the best of its “wildness” while still allowing for order in a spiritual sense.
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<p>I&#8217;m with Jim Morrison on this one &#8212; we need new frontiers, constantly, or we become stagnant and infighty.</p>
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		<title>By: Patria</title>
		<link>http://www.amerika.org/books/can-life-prevail-by-pentti-linkola/comment-page-1/#comment-5328</link>
		<dc:creator>Patria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 04:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Civilization and a healthy ecosystem are possible for humanity, but not for everyone. Population is the problem. Linkola points this out in and also makes a trenchant attack on liberal philosophy that talks about loving life and nature yet not enough to do what is necessary to bring this to fruition.  Linkola tempered with Evola hints at how civilization can maintain the best of its &quot;wildness&quot; while still allowing for order in a spiritual sense.  
The wildness you suggest seems to be a veil for savages who are incapable of civilization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Civilization and a healthy ecosystem are possible for humanity, but not for everyone. Population is the problem. Linkola points this out in and also makes a trenchant attack on liberal philosophy that talks about loving life and nature yet not enough to do what is necessary to bring this to fruition.  Linkola tempered with Evola hints at how civilization can maintain the best of its &#8220;wildness&#8221; while still allowing for order in a spiritual sense.<br />
The wildness you suggest seems to be a veil for savages who are incapable of civilization.</p>
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		<title>By: Adbusters features Pentti Linkola &#124; Amerika: New Right, Conservationist, Traditionalist, Deep Ecology and Conservative Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adbusters features Pentti Linkola &#124; Amerika: New Right, Conservationist, Traditionalist, Deep Ecology and Conservative Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 03:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Adbusters magazine, &#8220;The Philosophy Issue,&#8221; features an extended excerpt from Can Life Prevail? ($18, Arktos) by our favorite ecosopher, Pentti [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Adbusters magazine, &#8220;The Philosophy Issue,&#8221; features an extended excerpt from Can Life Prevail? ($18, Arktos) by our favorite ecosopher, Pentti [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mthr</title>
		<link>http://www.amerika.org/books/can-life-prevail-by-pentti-linkola/comment-page-1/#comment-3725</link>
		<dc:creator>mthr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linkola&#039;s entire analysis is wrong. He does not get human nature, and he does not even get nature. Yes, he is a conservationist, he is an environmentalist, he is a deep ecologist, but his vision of nature is entirely sanitized of everything that makes nature what it is. He does not get wildness. He longs for the order and artificial harmony of civilized life and projects that fantasy to the natural world. His vision of nature is entirely alienated.

Linkola sees nature as a thing to be artificially preserved by human society. He entertains a bourgeoisie picture-postcard vision of nature as a bucolic fantasy playground for a class of deep ecologist poet-philosophers and rulers of a working class relegated to the status of lesser beings. This may seem like a bizarre aberration of deep ecology but is in fact perfectly consistent with its anti-wildness, pro-civilization tendency. Linkola is not so much an environmentalist as he is a civilized elitist who sees the natural world as an ideological vehicle.

Linkola is squarely opposed to wildness. He once even criticized nature of having too much of it. Wind, according to Linkola, is a fault in nature; there should be no wind. This may seem odd at first, considering his mythical status as the supreme nature-lover, but it too fits neatly to his alienated vision. As artifacts preserved under glass domes are not upset by any winds, so should not Linkola&#039;s bucolic fantasy. The wind to Linkola represents that which is changing, free, anarchic – wild. It is to be rejected.

Linkola has stated that domestication is the single positive achievement of mankind. Yet another seeming paradox. Domestication is the enslavement of nature to the benefit of permanent human civilization. Why would Linkola praise it as the one thing humanity was ever good for? The answer is quite obvious in light of the above: Linkola is not so much an environmentalist as he is a civilized elitist who sees nature as an extension of his own individuality.

It is perhaps true what the followers of Linkola say, that he is the most misunderstood of all environmental writers, but it is not Linkola&#039;s detractors so much as his uncritical followers who most misrepresent his ideas. If they actually considered the contradicting parts of his works in relation to the rest, as opposed to merely thumbing through them in a frantic effort to avoid the ethical implications, they would perhaps see that his thinking is not only troubling but also incredibly confused ecologically.

If you want to get people to appreciate nature, get them to appreciate wildness as the essence of nature. If you want to alienate them from nature once and for all, by all means introduce them to the conservationist domestication philosophy of Pentti Linkola.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linkola&#8217;s entire analysis is wrong. He does not get human nature, and he does not even get nature. Yes, he is a conservationist, he is an environmentalist, he is a deep ecologist, but his vision of nature is entirely sanitized of everything that makes nature what it is. He does not get wildness. He longs for the order and artificial harmony of civilized life and projects that fantasy to the natural world. His vision of nature is entirely alienated.</p>
<p>Linkola sees nature as a thing to be artificially preserved by human society. He entertains a bourgeoisie picture-postcard vision of nature as a bucolic fantasy playground for a class of deep ecologist poet-philosophers and rulers of a working class relegated to the status of lesser beings. This may seem like a bizarre aberration of deep ecology but is in fact perfectly consistent with its anti-wildness, pro-civilization tendency. Linkola is not so much an environmentalist as he is a civilized elitist who sees the natural world as an ideological vehicle.</p>
<p>Linkola is squarely opposed to wildness. He once even criticized nature of having too much of it. Wind, according to Linkola, is a fault in nature; there should be no wind. This may seem odd at first, considering his mythical status as the supreme nature-lover, but it too fits neatly to his alienated vision. As artifacts preserved under glass domes are not upset by any winds, so should not Linkola&#8217;s bucolic fantasy. The wind to Linkola represents that which is changing, free, anarchic – wild. It is to be rejected.</p>
<p>Linkola has stated that domestication is the single positive achievement of mankind. Yet another seeming paradox. Domestication is the enslavement of nature to the benefit of permanent human civilization. Why would Linkola praise it as the one thing humanity was ever good for? The answer is quite obvious in light of the above: Linkola is not so much an environmentalist as he is a civilized elitist who sees nature as an extension of his own individuality.</p>
<p>It is perhaps true what the followers of Linkola say, that he is the most misunderstood of all environmental writers, but it is not Linkola&#8217;s detractors so much as his uncritical followers who most misrepresent his ideas. If they actually considered the contradicting parts of his works in relation to the rest, as opposed to merely thumbing through them in a frantic effort to avoid the ethical implications, they would perhaps see that his thinking is not only troubling but also incredibly confused ecologically.</p>
<p>If you want to get people to appreciate nature, get them to appreciate wildness as the essence of nature. If you want to alienate them from nature once and for all, by all means introduce them to the conservationist domestication philosophy of Pentti Linkola.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelton</title>
		<link>http://www.amerika.org/books/can-life-prevail-by-pentti-linkola/comment-page-1/#comment-2452</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Pentti&#039;s outline of the problem is true... if you can accept it... then you must also accept that there is no solution to the problem.    The very small minority that can tolerate even a small part of his philosophy are at such an extreme, and wildly unsavory fringe that these ideas will never be anything more than just ideas.   The &quot;truth&quot; or value of his worries and solutions may be rock solid (maybe), but it is a done deal.   We are, as you say, speeding like a car without brakes.
There is humor in many of his writings whether he intends humor or not.   I find myself fascinated after discovering Pentti just yesterday!    
Yes, it is both troubling and hilarious at the same time!  Strange, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Pentti&#8217;s outline of the problem is true&#8230; if you can accept it&#8230; then you must also accept that there is no solution to the problem.    The very small minority that can tolerate even a small part of his philosophy are at such an extreme, and wildly unsavory fringe that these ideas will never be anything more than just ideas.   The &#8220;truth&#8221; or value of his worries and solutions may be rock solid (maybe), but it is a done deal.   We are, as you say, speeding like a car without brakes.<br />
There is humor in many of his writings whether he intends humor or not.   I find myself fascinated after discovering Pentti just yesterday!<br />
Yes, it is both troubling and hilarious at the same time!  Strange, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias</title>
		<link>http://www.amerika.org/books/can-life-prevail-by-pentti-linkola/comment-page-1/#comment-2379</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The publisher of Linkola&#039;s book has now merged with another company and changed name to Arktos Media. Arktos&#039;s website is the place which offers Linkola&#039;s book at the best price:

http://www.arktos.com/books/our-publications/pentti-linkola-can-life-prevail.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The publisher of Linkola&#8217;s book has now merged with another company and changed name to Arktos Media. Arktos&#8217;s website is the place which offers Linkola&#8217;s book at the best price:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.arktos.com/books/our-publications/pentti-linkola-can-life-prevail.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.arktos.com/books/our-publications/pentti-linkola-can-life-prevail.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Crewick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crewick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If China ever gets its act together (I say wait until the sincerely marxist old guard finally dies off), it could add exceptions to the one child policy for those who excel academically. Scholars are still very highly regarded there, and they&#039;ll been seen to have earned it - so it wouldn&#039;t be too vigorously opposed. Then they&#039;d have eugenic depopulation, which is like an ANUSian wet dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If China ever gets its act together (I say wait until the sincerely marxist old guard finally dies off), it could add exceptions to the one child policy for those who excel academically. Scholars are still very highly regarded there, and they&#8217;ll been seen to have earned it &#8211; so it wouldn&#8217;t be too vigorously opposed. Then they&#8217;d have eugenic depopulation, which is like an ANUSian wet dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Linkage is Good for You: Happy Fake Corporate Holiday Edition &#124; In Mala Fide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linkage is Good for You: Happy Fake Corporate Holiday Edition &#124; In Mala Fide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Raul Singh &#8211; &#8220;Can Life Prevail? by Pentti Linkola&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: crow</title>
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		<dc:creator>crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eugenics, apparently, was quite popular at the beginning of the 20th. century. 
Many notable people supported various versions of it. 
In Canada, compulsory sterilization for mentally deficient people remained in law until the 1970s. So says Wikipedia. 

It&#039;s a very scary term these days, though. 
It would take a special salesman to sell that one. 

I see a resurgent interest in Fascism. 
Which is one of the newest forms of government. 
Hitler and Mussolini didn&#039;t do it any favours, but in principle, it had a lot going for it. Once again, good ideas ruined by maniacs. 

Probably any political system will ultimately fail, due to the preponderance of fools and maniacs. And there&#039;s the rub. 
There are now so many people in various degrees and flavours of mental illness, how does one define &quot;normal&quot; any more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugenics, apparently, was quite popular at the beginning of the 20th. century.<br />
Many notable people supported various versions of it.<br />
In Canada, compulsory sterilization for mentally deficient people remained in law until the 1970s. So says Wikipedia. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very scary term these days, though.<br />
It would take a special salesman to sell that one. </p>
<p>I see a resurgent interest in Fascism.<br />
Which is one of the newest forms of government.<br />
Hitler and Mussolini didn&#8217;t do it any favours, but in principle, it had a lot going for it. Once again, good ideas ruined by maniacs. </p>
<p>Probably any political system will ultimately fail, due to the preponderance of fools and maniacs. And there&#8217;s the rub.<br />
There are now so many people in various degrees and flavours of mental illness, how does one define &#8220;normal&#8221; any more?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Vance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. For reproductive purposes, we would need to correctly identify and then selectively favor those who can. The rest would have the support of civilization withdrawn.

But why stop there? There are many qualities that may emerge from the human design as a given person. Among these are character, fitness and longevity, and intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. For reproductive purposes, we would need to correctly identify and then selectively favor those who can. The rest would have the support of civilization withdrawn.</p>
<p>But why stop there? There are many qualities that may emerge from the human design as a given person. Among these are character, fitness and longevity, and intelligence.</p>
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