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	<description>New Right, Conservationist, Traditionalist, Deep Ecology and Conservative Thought: Conservation Conservatism (Crunchy Paleoconservatism)</description>
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		<title>By: highduke</title>
		<link>http://www.amerika.org/politics/the-marketplace-versus-the-bureaucrats/comment-page-1/#comment-893</link>
		<dc:creator>highduke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its genetics &amp; upbringing combined. A person with average genetic potential can go both ways depending on upbringing, the underaverage are fucked either way &amp; the superior will find the right path in time with bad upbringing. NOT all men have their nature/nurture at the same ratio. My folks are superficial Liberal hedonists, whereas I&#039;m a traditionalist ultranationalist. Shitty people can produce noble people via random re-emergence of dormant genes. Its unlikely but it happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its genetics &amp; upbringing combined. A person with average genetic potential can go both ways depending on upbringing, the underaverage are fucked either way &amp; the superior will find the right path in time with bad upbringing. NOT all men have their nature/nurture at the same ratio. My folks are superficial Liberal hedonists, whereas I&#8217;m a traditionalist ultranationalist. Shitty people can produce noble people via random re-emergence of dormant genes. Its unlikely but it happens.</p>
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		<title>By: highduke</title>
		<link>http://www.amerika.org/politics/the-marketplace-versus-the-bureaucrats/comment-page-1/#comment-892</link>
		<dc:creator>highduke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think about it Nils: Society cant &#039;eliminate&#039; pedophilia, rape, incest, bribery, alcoholism, dysfunctional families etc...without a rigid, ubiquitous eugenics program where the DNA &amp; psycho-profile of all citizens are monitored from birth to death. Progressives try to &#039;eliminate&#039; these vices by using The Media to spread panic &amp; mistrust among kinsmen but vices increase. Traditional society saw vice as everpresent &amp; used Morality &amp; Culture against vices &amp; so was more successful at subduing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think about it Nils: Society cant &#8216;eliminate&#8217; pedophilia, rape, incest, bribery, alcoholism, dysfunctional families etc&#8230;without a rigid, ubiquitous eugenics program where the DNA &amp; psycho-profile of all citizens are monitored from birth to death. Progressives try to &#8216;eliminate&#8217; these vices by using The Media to spread panic &amp; mistrust among kinsmen but vices increase. Traditional society saw vice as everpresent &amp; used Morality &amp; Culture against vices &amp; so was more successful at subduing it.</p>
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		<title>By: White Preservationist</title>
		<link>http://www.amerika.org/politics/the-marketplace-versus-the-bureaucrats/comment-page-1/#comment-883</link>
		<dc:creator>White Preservationist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disregard the above comment (and this one) by just deleting it...I meant to post it in another thread, the one about overproduction of food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disregard the above comment (and this one) by just deleting it&#8230;I meant to post it in another thread, the one about overproduction of food.</p>
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		<title>By: White Preservationist</title>
		<link>http://www.amerika.org/politics/the-marketplace-versus-the-bureaucrats/comment-page-1/#comment-882</link>
		<dc:creator>White Preservationist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are suffering from our own economic success, basically. Overproduction/oversupply can be as bad for an economy (or even worse) than underproduction/undersupply. All advanced White/Western societies (and some advanced Asian nations) are currently glutted with a massive oversupply of goods and services - this has led to sinking demand across the board (because most people already have all that they need)...this means less employment, and thus a stalling economy.  Too many people have also took on too much debt because they have been forced to do so in order to &#039;get ahead&#039; in the modern USA.

Frankly, the best way to return the American housing market to ‘normalcy’ would be to tear down a lot of the excess housing supply in order to bring it back in line with the very slack current demand.  Notice how they are doing this to the autos which have been traded in during the &#039;cash for clunkers&#039; program in order to reduce the overall supply of used autos floating around the market.

We are living under Jewish-Marxist tyranny. The ultragreedy international Jewish financiers and their filthy allies are trying to manipulate the basic economic law of supply and demand. Under normal (non-manipulated) circumstances prices would drop on goods/services like housing, autos, medical care, food, college educations, etc because there is such an huge oversupply of these things in White/Western countries – but the Jewish-Marxist manipulators want to keep prices artificially high even though there is a huge oversupply of the aforementioned goods/services in order to make sure that ordinary people (mostly Whites) remain mired in permanent debt-slavery to the rotten Jewed system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are suffering from our own economic success, basically. Overproduction/oversupply can be as bad for an economy (or even worse) than underproduction/undersupply. All advanced White/Western societies (and some advanced Asian nations) are currently glutted with a massive oversupply of goods and services &#8211; this has led to sinking demand across the board (because most people already have all that they need)&#8230;this means less employment, and thus a stalling economy.  Too many people have also took on too much debt because they have been forced to do so in order to &#8216;get ahead&#8217; in the modern USA.</p>
<p>Frankly, the best way to return the American housing market to ‘normalcy’ would be to tear down a lot of the excess housing supply in order to bring it back in line with the very slack current demand.  Notice how they are doing this to the autos which have been traded in during the &#8216;cash for clunkers&#8217; program in order to reduce the overall supply of used autos floating around the market.</p>
<p>We are living under Jewish-Marxist tyranny. The ultragreedy international Jewish financiers and their filthy allies are trying to manipulate the basic economic law of supply and demand. Under normal (non-manipulated) circumstances prices would drop on goods/services like housing, autos, medical care, food, college educations, etc because there is such an huge oversupply of these things in White/Western countries – but the Jewish-Marxist manipulators want to keep prices artificially high even though there is a huge oversupply of the aforementioned goods/services in order to make sure that ordinary people (mostly Whites) remain mired in permanent debt-slavery to the rotten Jewed system.</p>
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		<title>By: Nils</title>
		<link>http://www.amerika.org/politics/the-marketplace-versus-the-bureaucrats/comment-page-1/#comment-877</link>
		<dc:creator>Nils</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to comment on this quote in particular: &quot;In addition, by accepting injustice, you create a more realistic view of society. In any age and every age, injustice has existed; this is the nature of a chaotic environment. If we accept it, and also accept that some will rise above challenges and survive well, we have a healthy outlook. If we bemoan injustice and invent “progressive” notions to compensate, we are rejecting reality and become very negative toward life itself.&quot;

This seems to go completely against the idea that humanity or civilization serves any purpose. Yes, injustice is a reality for any society. But so is making an attempt to eradicate those injustices. So I guess slaves shouldn&#039;t have fought for freedom because it&#039;s just an injustice that they should have accepted. After all, the free market gave white man bigger boats and more guns so that&#039;s just a fact that they should have accepted. Whatever. It&#039;s a completely asinine concept and goes against the idea that we as humans can rise above our current conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to comment on this quote in particular: &#8220;In addition, by accepting injustice, you create a more realistic view of society. In any age and every age, injustice has existed; this is the nature of a chaotic environment. If we accept it, and also accept that some will rise above challenges and survive well, we have a healthy outlook. If we bemoan injustice and invent “progressive” notions to compensate, we are rejecting reality and become very negative toward life itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>This seems to go completely against the idea that humanity or civilization serves any purpose. Yes, injustice is a reality for any society. But so is making an attempt to eradicate those injustices. So I guess slaves shouldn&#8217;t have fought for freedom because it&#8217;s just an injustice that they should have accepted. After all, the free market gave white man bigger boats and more guns so that&#8217;s just a fact that they should have accepted. Whatever. It&#8217;s a completely asinine concept and goes against the idea that we as humans can rise above our current conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Vance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right about the vices. They keep coming back, but so does virtue. Where do they come from? Used to be, as we were taught, the supernatural would enter our material world and use us as vessels in its spiritual battles.

Then, they told us it was all wicked people vesus good people. The power of society determines how someone ends up in life. Yet, people make society, so why then does society, which is caused by people, cause goodness or wickedness?

Genetics is the best answer. Traits are passed along across the generations. Some traits don&#039;t work out for the best, others do.

But we&#039;re still stuck on the social determinist path which subsidizes all genes because according to this method, genes don&#039;t matter that much because modern society trumps them with education and rehab. When society fails to make people better, as it always has, society is blamed for the error and political battles begin anew over how to tweak society.

Maybe society is a symptom of collections of genes at work and fighting symptoms takes us pretty much nowhere over the long haul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right about the vices. They keep coming back, but so does virtue. Where do they come from? Used to be, as we were taught, the supernatural would enter our material world and use us as vessels in its spiritual battles.</p>
<p>Then, they told us it was all wicked people vesus good people. The power of society determines how someone ends up in life. Yet, people make society, so why then does society, which is caused by people, cause goodness or wickedness?</p>
<p>Genetics is the best answer. Traits are passed along across the generations. Some traits don&#8217;t work out for the best, others do.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;re still stuck on the social determinist path which subsidizes all genes because according to this method, genes don&#8217;t matter that much because modern society trumps them with education and rehab. When society fails to make people better, as it always has, society is blamed for the error and political battles begin anew over how to tweak society.</p>
<p>Maybe society is a symptom of collections of genes at work and fighting symptoms takes us pretty much nowhere over the long haul.</p>
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		<title>By: highduke</title>
		<link>http://www.amerika.org/politics/the-marketplace-versus-the-bureaucrats/comment-page-1/#comment-870</link>
		<dc:creator>highduke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 1st part of this article concerning Injustice caught my attention. Im not aware of any Folklore Myths in which Evil is destroyed. Self-hatred, fear, laziness, shame, viciousness, lust, envy, &amp; their derivatives like hypocrisy, superficiality, selfishness, etc... CANT be erased from ANYBODY&#039;S personality or any group&#039;s collective consciousness, they must be sublimated into positive actions and learning how is learning how to be an Ubermensch, most fail &amp; cant accept it &amp; prattle on like fools</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1st part of this article concerning Injustice caught my attention. Im not aware of any Folklore Myths in which Evil is destroyed. Self-hatred, fear, laziness, shame, viciousness, lust, envy, &amp; their derivatives like hypocrisy, superficiality, selfishness, etc&#8230; CANT be erased from ANYBODY&#8217;S personality or any group&#8217;s collective consciousness, they must be sublimated into positive actions and learning how is learning how to be an Ubermensch, most fail &amp; cant accept it &amp; prattle on like fools</p>
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